billruse's Journal, 27 Feb 15

I have never heard of this forced insulin spike idea before. Sounds like a strange thing to do, what is the intention? 

It does a couple of things, it makes your metabolism roar so you burn off fat and it encourages muscle-growth too. I got into it because it was happening occasionally that I'd lose weight overnight, pounds, by eating LC for a bit then eating chocolate on an empty stomach last thing. Turns out someone's really researched this and developed protocols. Google for Carb Nite and Carb Back-Loading. One's for slimmers and the other's more for bodybullders.  

I always lose weight overnight, due to dehydration. To lose a pound of fat overnight you would have to burn ~3500 kCal. I did google Carb Nite though, looks like a Scam. Are there any scientific papers on the subject?  

Dunno. If you get the book author John Kiefer refers to all kinds of things. It's only 27 bucks so go see. 

Giles, do you remember telling me that to lose point two kg overnight was impossible then spoke about drinking water ??? 

Hmm, no I just read this article: http://goo.gl/Evmqx5 John Kiefer is a complete nut job. I wouldn't trust a word that comes out of his mouth, nor buy his book.  

@I will win. Yes? My point was that fluctuations in your weight over night are likely due to loss of water. Ultimately you want to lose fat right not water, so to measure yourself accurately you need to weigh every day, and then you can say "I am loosing 0.5kg a week", not "I am loosing 0.07kg overnight". But you are doing great I will win, so I am sorry I brought it up before.  

Giles and i always seem to be on here, we need a life!! you can lose weight over night because you are basically fasting, the glucose/glycogen stores run down and your body turns to fat for some energy to keep basic functions going. this is why ketones levels in blood can be higher in the morning as ketones are a bi-product of fatty acid metabolization. obviously water comes into as does a good bowel movement first thing in morning!! sorry to mention bowels...but well it is true  

Lol, true, but its good to communicate whatever the medium. I just want to clarify what I said. I didn't say it was impossible to lose weight over night. This is evident since you dehydrate, deplete your glycogen, and burn a little fat. What I said was its "impossible", to accurately measure that you've lost weight. I then backtracked on my use of the word impossible because I grant that you can measure yourself very accurately with a £600 Physicians Balance beam scale, and by taking averages. All of this is re-iterating what I have read here: http://goo.gl/fAudBf  

i had never give it a thought that my digital scales would be affected by temperature, they sit under the radiator!! half the time they are freezing cold (i live up a hill in Lancashire) then the heating goes on. think i had better move them. good article, we place a lot of our hopes and expectations on our scales, it is difficult not become a bit obsessed with them when every pound counts 

I agree with Billkruse, carbing up does seem to help with weight loss on the scales, plateaus & metabolism. I think a cheat meal once a week is very beneficial physically & mentally to weight loss, especially on a ketogenic diet. I believe the body holds onto water, especially on a ketogenic diet because it's trying to balance electrolytes. But seeing as carbs tend to be high in electrolytes (especially sodium) the body is then more able to release instead of retaining water weight.  

Or you could drink vinegar. 

@ebivr Sorry that last comment was a bit flippant. If you want to lose water weight then you can indeed lose it by having and diuretic. Apple cider vinegar is supposedly a gentle natural one. Since your body is 60% water it can make a huge difference on the scales, but its not really good for anyone's health to be dehydrated. The important thing to remember is that the squidgy bits are fat, to lose it you need to do lots of cardio and keep the saturated fat you consume to a rda minimum.