adefwebserver's Journal, 09 Nov 19

the mysteries of the body - and weight loss - never linear, hard to correlate, and need this view to really see what works. Really good info. I do find the protein spikes correlating with weight spikes interesting though. I also think everyone is unique, goes without saying, and what you may respond to, may not work the same for another. Good stuff. 

@br_e_co - On the "Protein Spike" issue, this is why I always tell people they have to look at their *own data* to see what works (or doesn't work) for *them* - - Also, I still have not heard back from Fat Secret on why my site to export the data is not working for you Argggg :( 

no sweat, man. just seeing this has me excited when i can get to my data and run some analysis. pretty cool 

..when protein spikes, it is *always* followed by a weight spike.. Bodies are so different. My understanding of protein is that it never converts to fat, always burned. I think you have to factor in energy burned, activity. Protein with high levels of exercise, especially lifting, can sometimes increase muscle mass, weight. At least, that's my understanding on some stuff I've read about what burns, what moves to fat. Then bodyfat% may change with those spikes, etc. Always, so many factors. 

@rgaDawg - Keep in mind I am talking about HIGH levels of protein where I am drinking multiple protein shakes all day long - - But, yeah that is why I wanted to pull everything down and analyze my data. High protein stops my weight loss. I drink protein shakes all day to have something to 'consume' that had 'substance to it' to prevent myself from going on a 'eating binge'. I know I have to keep my carbs down to lose weight, so that means I only have "Fat and Protein" to consume. However, the more Protein shakes I consumed, the slower my weight loss has been. This is why I wanted to pull in *all* the data and analyze it. Sure enough, for me, it goes like this: (1) Must be low carb to drop weight (2) If protein spikes into the 100g+ that weight loss will stop.  

@rgaDawg - Also see: "How much protein is excessive?" https://thefastingmethod.com/how-much-protein-is-excessive/ 

Ahhh, yes. I remember the protein drinks when I did LCHF a long time ago. Possible explanation, either high carbs, or high proteins, means burning less fats. When we eat more carbs, more carbs are burned, less fats are burned. When we eat more protein, more protein is burned, less fats are burned. When the body has either carbs or proteins to burn, it tends to store fat directly. Can't do high carbs, * or * high proteins, if > 20% fats are in the diet. https://bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/how-we-get-fat.html 

So many different approaches, the article I referenced would dispute this point .. excessive protein is turned into glucose and then to fat.. RE: Protein is basically never going to be converted to fat and stored as such. But, I think Macros might work different, depending on activity. The body re-composition article might be true for body builders, the other article, perhaps, true for fasting. The body does different things with macros, depending on state, perhaps. 

.. I'll add, maybe, just thinking out loud here, those burn dynamics, will also have a lot to do with body composition, bodyfat%. 

@rgaDawg - I have read articles that disputed the points also, however, I knew what was happening from my own experience and I finally have nearly two years of my own data gathered day after day that, for me, clearly shows that Dr. Fung is correct. So today, I will keep the protein below 100g (I really want to be around 50g).  

Full article on Nutrient Intake, https://bodyrecomposition.com/nutrition/nutrient-intake-nutrient-storage-and-nutrient-oxidation.html/ 

The article does confirm your findings .. eat less protein and you burn less protein (and by extension, more carbs and more fat)..  

A study was just published which suggested that overeating protein is not as detrimental as overeating fat and carbs. The article was just a review of other studies and data but that seems to be their finding. It also may be tied to working out. It was here https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5786199/ 

Good article, liv001. I think the dynamics change drastically, depending on the fat in macros. With carbs & proteins in high fat diets, less fat oxidized, most of the fats are stored. To do higher carbs, higher proteins, the fat intake must be low, or it gets stored directly to weight. And then, intensity of energy burns will come into play and change all of that, as well. It all has to be taken into account. 

@liv001 - I think it is important to keep in mind, that by drinking only protein shakes, all day long, I am consuming *way more protein* than the average person. I found that this was slowing my weight loss. For some reason this 'blasphemy' triggered some people to tell me I was wrong. I finally have the ability to pull the data together and prove that yes, this-is-what-is-happening :)  

Nice work, maybe it's not the protein? Maybe it's the protein shakes that are refined and possibly more easily spike insulin? Just an idea. I dare you to go carnivore for a few weeks hehe 

Your personal findings mirror what the How We Get Fat Article says. Excessive protein, or carbs, slows down oxidation of fats, ingested or already stored...  

@jenjabba - The Dr. Fung article clearly points out: "excessive protein is turned into glucose and then to fat" https://thefastingmethod.com/how-much-protein-is-excessive/ :) I'm just going to belive that my data is correct and not doubt't myself :) I swear I would still be obese right now if I did not simply track my own data and only do what works.  

Both article are saying the same thing, just have different reasons for why that's happening.  

One day soon we will have a continuous insulin monitor to play with to really see the it effects us individually 😂 but anything processed I think would spoke glucose more easily too?