mskestrela's Journal, 13 Jul 16

This is going to be a ramble, folks. But I need to record the flashback epiphany that just hit.
So, I'm back to somewhere between IF 23:1 and 20:4. Still only one meal a day, just the timing depends on my work schedule. I got some advice on a group on Facebook, that 'seems' sound with what they cite, but is counter-intuitive to what my body is saying. They say that it's *very* important on LCHF to hit the protein macro, or 'very bad things will happen". The problem is, and has been for some time, that I just can't eat very much at one sitting! Tonight I made snow crab clusters and a HUGE artichoke with drawn garlic butter. Yes, it was SO good! I managed to finish one crab cluster, and most of the usable leaves of the artichoke, and about 90% of the 3 Tbs of butter. Yummy, delicious, satisfying....all of that. But when the satiety hormone (Leptin) kicks in, I am DONE! I took a little break, and tried to finish the artichoke heart and the last leg of the crab cluster, and I found myself forcing it down. No pleasure, no enjoying the flavor, and waves of nausea....because I was trying so hard to get the calorie count up to at least 1000 for the day. That's when the flashback hit HARD.
I was a skinny child, up until the age of about 5 or 6. Happy, energetic, curious.
I had, probably, a normal appetite for that age. One night, my mother had made a pot roast, and the meat was dry and stringy. I ate the accompanying veggies with gusto, and was happily full. Mom was a "clean your plate" advocate, and probably gave me more than I needed. Or she saw my criticism of the meat as a personal affront. Whatever the reason, she decided it was time to teach me a lesson that night. She told me I had to sit there until the last bite was gone. The table was cleared, everyone else went in the other room, and I sat there in front of that plate of now-congealing meat, crying. I cried myself to sleep, sitting at that table. To my mother, that was rebellion of the highest order. She woke me up after everyone had gone to bed, and told me that I could go to bed, but that that plate would be there for breakfast in the morning. And if I didn't eat it for breakfast, I would get it for lunch...and if not then, for dinner the next night.
The next morning, I woke up, my usual happy kid self, having forgotten the ordeal of the night before. I bipped downstairs, to be greeted by a cold plate with leftover, stringy, even-more-dried-out pot roast. She didn't even bother to reheat it. She was still very angry, and told me that until I finished that pot roast, there would be no other food for me. I forced it down, crying the whole time. Less than a year later, I was the fattest kid in my class, and my unhealthy relationship with food was cemented into my psyche.
Tonight, as I tried to force down the last of the food on my plate, it all came flooding back.
I may be gone for a few days, as I work through healing that 5 year-old me, and through forgiving my mother. Interesting footnote..I'm almost the age now that she was when she died. Food for thought.

View Diet Calendar, 13 July 2016:
870 kcal Fat: 49.66g | Prot: 28.90g | Carbs: 21.00g.   Breakfast: Pyure Stevia Sweetener, Coffee (Brewed From Grounds), Half and Half Cream. Dinner: Rum, Coca-Cola Diet Coke, Cooked Artichoke (from Fresh), Butter (Salted), Red Lobster Snow Crab Legs (1 Pound). more...
3133 kcal Exercise: Shopping - 45 minutes, Cleaning - 25 minutes, Cooking - 40 minutes, Watching TV/Computer - 6 hours, Washing Dishes - 25 minutes, Sleeping - 8 hours, Resting - 4 hours and 10 minutes, Driving - 1 hour, Standing - 2 hours, Blowdrying hair - 35 minutes. more...

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Ok, so, what's the protein macro supposed to be? Because I don't hit it. And im still kicking. I think they are full of poo. And what about those of us who just don't eat? Im hitting NO macros when I fast for more than 24 hours. And still nothing bad. Im losing weight though. Kind of curious what the face book people would think of me. Tell them they need to do some REAL research into how the body works. not just listening to bro science. As long as your body has fat on it, you need NO food. Not protein, not fat, not carbs. All it needs is electrolytes to keep the signals flowing and the blood volumes correct. You know this Mskestrela. don't worry about those people. 
13 Jul 16 by member: knuckles the mgtow monk
Remember, everything you eat is nothing but fuel for the fires. 
13 Jul 16 by member: knuckles the mgtow monk
OMG Kes, the similarities between our lives is spooky sometimes, I had one of those type incidents when I was young too mine was meatloaf with celery in it (My mother always was and still is a terrible cook, she has no sense of smell and she can't taste seasonings unless they are so strong they will kill a normal person) But, I can relate and I really really try not to force myself to eat, but sometimes I still do simply because I am still in the mindset that I have to maintain a certain number of calories. I have to consciously stop, breath deep 10 or 15 times, ask myself if I am really hungry and then stop.  
13 Jul 16 by member: debrafrederick
I do 36 hours IF ..actually I control my protein like my carb as well..as protein also converts into sugar especially if you are eating LCHF. I find it challenging to raise my Macros for FAT. 
13 Jul 16 by member: ashok_kumar
I bet I know exactly what group you're talking about, OKL. I fell into their trap for a minute, until I noticed all of that protein (96g min) gave me cravings. IDK if it was the actual protein or the whey supplement (which is notorious for raising blood glucose) that I was using to try to force it in my macros. Someone else from that group (or a similar one) posted about forcing protein & stalling on Dr. Fung's "Ask The Expert" section of dietdoctor.com He's response was that the AVERAGE American is eating 3-4x the amount of protein needed. It's up to you what macros you choose, but I call BS. 
13 Jul 16 by member: Caterpillar2Butterfly
JUST MY EXPERIENCE! I HAVE NO INTEREST IN ARGUING OR DEBATING WITH ANYONE! I was LCHF IF for over a year. Lost a lot of weight. Had noticed I did not feel as strong as I used to tho. About a month ago had terrible stomach pains and went to the emergency room. Eventually was given an antibiotic that killed my good gut flora. More pain, back to emergency room. Finally feeling better BUT as I added food back in I have found MY body just isn't tolerating the fat like it used to. Also, I used to eat quite a bit of veggies, lower protein. Body just isn't accepting it. I have now been trying the higher protein (91g a day), smaller amount of fat (68g a day), still low carb. Stomach feels much better and I feel stronger. I've been doing as recommended and eating my protein first to make sure I get in the recommended amount. If I am not hungry and have not eaten enough protein I may supplement with a protein shake. Again, my stomach feels much better. Not sure which group you have looked in to but the one I've seen does advocate fasting and does not go by calories. I guess my point is: EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT, STOMACHS ARE DIFFERENT, SYSTEMS AND HOW THEY HANDLE FOODS ARE DIFFERENT. Things can change over time and other ways may need to be implemented and tried. I have avoided posting on here for quite awhile as it just got OLD reading such dismissive responses but did want to share my experience.... 
13 Jul 16 by member: Rckc
Same, "finish your plate!!", yeah, that really messes up a person's view of food. I don't know if I just released all of that subconciously, or what, but throwing "perfectly good food" in the garbage doesn't bother me one whit anymore. I chunk bread, buns, tortillas, pizza crusts, breading, whatever I see that doesn't fit goes in the garbage, I don't bother asking if anyone wants it, I wouldn't so I figure they wouldn't either. I do put my leftovers in the fridge for the next time I decide to eat, but if I wanted to chunk those too, I would. It's your mouth, your body, only you get to decide what goes in it.  
13 Jul 16 by member: 1point21gigawatts
Let Go, Let God... I hope you can resolve these old hurts with peace and closure. 🕊 🙏 💐 
13 Jul 16 by member: Sarah1950
I feel for ya, Debra! My mom always prided herself on being a good cook. And she was....I think she may have had too many martinis that night (something that became a pattern for her) and she KNEW it sucked...but wasn't going to put up with a 5-year-old pointing it out. That, and she had just read Dr. Spock's book, and it said something about how not to have a "fussy eater". That Spock was a real a$$hole, and probably contributed a lot to the whacked out 80's generation. Around then was when I found a program called, "Thin Within", and it centered not around dieting, but around getting to the psychological reasons for overeating. It was useful and liberating, but I've NEVER been an over-eater! No binges, no sweet tooth, rare times when I ate more than to satiated. (Corned beef and cabbage and beans with ham hocks and cornbread were the usual suspects....LOL). I knew as far back as the 70's when Atkins published his first book that low carb was the only way for me to lose weight, but I didn't put it all together with the science until this go-round. The only time I was thin in my adult life was when I was living at 10K feet altitude, snorting coke and dancing all night 5 nights a week. Pffft. I also was eating pretty darned healthy, mostly organic, not much wheat or sugar. Go figure. LOL 
13 Jul 16 by member: mskestrela
I went through the same thing with my grandmother (guardian). It was always "finish your plate". I can remember crying telling her that I was full, and she would make me sit on the toilet until I made room for the rest. I have also been guilty of doing this with my kids in the past, and still have to catch myself sometimes. Can we say "Learned behavior" lol 
13 Jul 16 by member: Caterpillar2Butterfly
C2B, it's not that one, but the main admin there is also an admin on the one I'm talking about. He's very forceful in his opinions, and has minions who parrot his every decree. Junk science is his source, and he has a 'true believer' attitude about it. And when you challenge his sources, he runs circular logic on you. Leaving that group now. LOL 
13 Jul 16 by member: mskestrela
@ashok_kumar, thank you for your insights.  
13 Jul 16 by member: mskestrela
Lilly eats when she's hungry, whenever that is and I don't make her eat anything she doesn't want to. We've been at Nanny and Pawpaw's all day, she snubbed lunch. I think it kind of bothered my parents, but I really don't care. She's well within "normal" range for her weight, runs a little in the upper percentile for her height (big shock, I'm 6'3" and her mother is 5'8"), I'm not going to let her food perceptions be destroyed by stupid.  
13 Jul 16 by member: 1point21gigawatts
@Knuckles, every bump like this reaffirms my inner knowing that my body will tell me what it needs. Once I broke the wheat addiction, it's no longer about what it WANTS, but what it needs. Thanks for your support. <3 
13 Jul 16 by member: mskestrela
I don't think Dr. Spock ever had children of his own at the time of the writing of that book...it amazes me how folks who have never had children could ever possibly believe that they are experts on parenting....LOL, just my opinion. I let go of the clean plate club issue back when I went through Alanon, because that particular night my father who was drunk threw his meatloaf across the dining room and pronounced it not fit for dog food. I know my mother was upset about it, he was an ass. She had put celery in it and at that time in my life, celery made me gag so I could not eat it. She made me and my little brother sit there all evening until we had finished our meal...her and Dad were screaming at each other in the living room so naturally we were even more upset. I took the last bite and chewed it up and immediately threw it up on the table. Mama yanked me up from the table and blistered my butt and sent us to bed. I helped that 9 year old heal many years ago. My issues with forcing myself to eat now has more to do with the deeply instilled belief that my metabolism is going to shut down if I don't eat a certain number of calories each day. With the fasting you would think that would not be an issue any longer, but it's still there.  
13 Jul 16 by member: debrafrederick
I want to know the group you're referring to, Msk, so I can go troll them so hard that even Oliver would be proud.  
13 Jul 16 by member: 1point21gigawatts
@Rckc, thank you for breaking your silence to share your experience with me! You are exactly right. Every BODY is different, and there is no 'one size fits all' diet. We must each pay attention to what our bodies request. I'm glad you found what works best for you! I'm figuring it out, step by step. I appreciate your thoughtful insights. 
13 Jul 16 by member: mskestrela
Oh my, that's terrible. Using food to punish a child just for being honest? I know I wouldn't want dry, stringy roast as a child or an adult. I had a couple of fussy eaters, so I learned to give them smaller portions and see how that went. My mother's rule was we had to eat at least half of our meal.  
13 Jul 16 by member: Engeland
Yeah, Phil....so many well-intentioned, but damaging beliefs handed down. I'm glad you healed your issues before you had to foist them on Lily! I feel the joy and love in you every time you mention her. What's truly remarkable, though, is the respect you have for her as a small Human. You are one I really look up to. The group is Ketogenic Diet Open Discussion, and the peacock admin is Ben McDonald. Let the trolling begin! Bwahahahaha!  
13 Jul 16 by member: mskestrela
OMG Phil did you say PawPaw??/ Awwww....I though we were the only kids on the planet who referred to Grandfathers as PawPaw....Granny was just Granny :) 
13 Jul 16 by member: debrafrederick

     
 

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