mskestrela's Journal, 24 Jul 16

Nice drop! Let's GO! #grindtime 

I have consistently said I have no problem with the concept of CICO, but again, it's not the focus of an LCHF diet, the "high fat" part of lchf is relative to the consumption of carbohydrate and protein, overall it's a reduction in all macros, when done right, not that I have to justify that to anyone, ultimately it's the responsibility of any and all given dieter/dieters to understand what they're doing. Persistently attacking a strategy that works for so many people doesn't help anyone. People who forego a ketogenic diet in favor of a mixed macro approach have plenty of success, congratulations to them, people such as myself who target sugars and high starch foods have just as much success, congratulations to US, people who target fat as a diet strategy have successful results, too. You can accurately say that it was always the calories and that really doesn't matter, it wasn't and isn't the focus, you could also say it was gravity and time, I'm sure I could make a sound affirmative case, but what's it relevant to? 

OK If you feel well ok then keep it up , just dont get sick from lack of calories I don't know about intermentant fasting , if it works for you I am thrilled , just see how you feel LOU 

I never said or implied that it's sloth and gluttony that lead to obesity, and I'm sorry if I gave that impression. Insulin resistance absolutely exists, as does metabolic damage. However, in my opinion one should work to correct the metabolism rather than accommodate to it by avoiding entire food groups. Going on a keto diet and eating fewer calories often only exacerbates a slow metabolic rate. All that aside, I only ask that we all try not to put forth our own personal experience as scientific fact, as it doesn't really help people who are here looking for objectivity.  

Based on scientific fact I have chosen a way of eating which creates my successful personal experience. Mskestrela has chosen her way of eating based on scientific studies and is sharing her personal experience. Nobody is saying their experience is scientific fact except - perhaps - Tmiller123. We get into these heated discussions on FS because absolutely no one has the be-all and end-all diet suited to everyone. Tmiller123 has a lot of success with his clients, so be it. So did Dr. Atkins and Dr. Fung - though in the Atkins the successes are in the thousands and he was a bona-fide doctor.  

Wow, I exacerbated my slow metabolic rate on a keto diet, and only averaged a loss of 18lbs/month over the course of twelve months. Imagine if I had only done it "right", I could have lost 200 lbs in six months! 

Or maybe sugar is just another carb. Please stop spreading nonsense. Thanks. 

I think that every individual is different, although my personal view is that processed foods are the devil and sugar is a problem for most people. I just hope that people are confiding in and planning with their doctor. That being said, my doctor is nowhere near a nutritionalist and my insurance doesn't seem to cover the cost for one without a referral from my PCP (which I'm not getting). If I'm being honest - I think she's sort of clueless, BUT - we can go over my bloodwork and have conversations about my results and what I would like to research and try and then go over the results. I do believe that obesity is a metabolic issue for many, but can we really ignore calories? Hard to say without really looking at what YOUR SPECIFIC problems are, no? I have a thyroid condition - not everyone does, so what works (or doesn't work) for me may not apply to everyone. Are people looking at whether or not they have candida and should they? I think everyone will find a great place to start is eating real, healthy, whole foods and cutting down (if not eliminating) processed foods and sugar and most importantly really discussing their history with a professional and doing the work by doing the research and tracking their results and making informed tweaks. Just my thoughts 

And nice loss by the way! :) 

Thanks Pam. Yeah, I battled candida from the time I was born, pretty much. Keto is good for that, as well. I also had low thyroid function, but that's improving. I'm done arguing with these guys. It's like arguing politics or religion. I'm not going to change their minds, and they're not going to change mine. I don't allow religious evangelists in my house, and I won't allow self appointed "diet educators" to troll my journal. All they're doing here is recruiting new clients. 

Pam..good thoughts. Everyone is different. Thanks Phil.. 

Have you been able to lower your thyroid medication at all? That's the next thing I will be discussing with my doctor. My energy has improved, but still have the hair loss and I have a feeling that while improved (a significant amount, might I add) I still think it's not at it's optimal levels. How long before you saw improvement? I only ask so that I have talking points other than my own experience since I have only been following a ketogenic way of eating for a little more than a month. The first portion of my journey was just gettng rid of sugar and processed foods and not really doing the macros etc.. 

How do we repair our metabolism? Can you give me some references I can read up on? 

EDC - I don't think that is a question you can or should have answered here. Nobody here knows what your situation is from current and past diet to medical conditions etc.. Talk to your doctor and do the research. Metabolic repair is very specific to an individual. Some have liver issues, thyroid issues, candida issues, organ damage etc.. I don't believe that there is any blanket advice that fits EVERYONE other than eating REAL whole healthy foods. Period. Individual plans need to be tailored to individuals. That being said there is a ton of research out there. Google it, read it - see what you "feel" applies to you and discuss with your doctor.  

I hope that came off as helpful and not authoratative or rude - I only mean to help ;) 

yup 

@Pam, it took a little over 9 weeks for me. I hadn't been on medication for a number of years, as it wasn't helping. I have been able to do regular self checks since my thyroid was quite enlarged. It had shrunk considerably, so I went to have it checked. Sure enough, it was back to normal size and function! I researched a connection between keto and thyroid, and while apparently rare, it has been seen. I guess I'm one of the lucky ones. 

I agree! At my Diabetes BCBS class I had to goto, they are calling Diabetes "Carbohydrate Poisoning". It seems so many things are linked to carbs/sugar. I thought I was done reading reports/findings but there is always something going on. I have a guy at work that cannot eat dark green veggies (he says it causes terrible gastric issues) but, maybe if he cut those carbs also. IDK, wish I could help everyone! We have a group that is getting ready for the PT test in Aug. They are trying this WOE for a month to see results. I am optimistic to see what happens. Ahhhhhhh.....I Remember having to get ready for those PT tests. But last week, I had to RUN all around the base to get some things done. And for the first time in I don't know how long, I was not sweating or out of breath!!! Mind you it was over 100 the last week in Oklahoma! Not sweating just walking to your car is so.........gosh what's the word/expression, refreshing/pleasant/awesome/a God's Send/peace. I am doctor managed so yes, PamH525, you need to visit with your doctor if only to see where you are, and where you want to go. Fight on FS Warriors! Never give up, Never Surrender!  

@EDC, look up Dr. Jason Fung and his book "The Obesity Code". He has several videos on YouTube that speak to exactly that, as well as an excellent website, called Intensive Dietary Management.com He says, and gives the science to prove, that obesity isn't a calorie problem, it's an insulin problem. 

@Ron, one thing I've noticed since I became keto-adapted is that I'm able to tolerate the heat SO much better! I live in steamy South Carolina, and summers were nearly unbearable for me. Sure, I still break a sweat when I get in my car after it's been sitting in the sun all afternoon, but it doesn't exhaust me like it used to.